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		<title>By: cb</title>
		<link>http://introvertzone.com/introvert-extrovert-reaching-out-across-the-abyss/comment-page-1#comment-709</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi LA,  Yes, isn&#039;t it a shame - people who have no idea they are alienating a customer with all that familiarity so they actually caused you to avoid the shops entirely!   I agree totally about the coffee shops too.   Why do they have to have your name and call it out?   &quot;Mary&quot; was a good idea.   One time a guy interrupted me talking to my companion to yell out, &quot;Hey, I need a name for this cup!&quot;   I told him, &quot;Call it &#039;Cup.&#039;&quot;   

Thanks so much for your comment, and I hope you&#039;ll return to Introvert Zone soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LA,  Yes, isn&#8217;t it a shame &#8211; people who have no idea they are alienating a customer with all that familiarity so they actually caused you to avoid the shops entirely!   I agree totally about the coffee shops too.   Why do they have to have your name and call it out?   &#8220;Mary&#8221; was a good idea.   One time a guy interrupted me talking to my companion to yell out, &#8220;Hey, I need a name for this cup!&#8221;   I told him, &#8220;Call it &#8216;Cup.&#8217;&#8221;   </p>
<p>Thanks so much for your comment, and I hope you&#8217;ll return to Introvert Zone soon!</p>
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		<title>By: LA</title>
		<link>http://introvertzone.com/introvert-extrovert-reaching-out-across-the-abyss/comment-page-1#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a post that really highlights cultural differences between my country and the United States. In Sweden, the notion of anybody at work asking their colleagues if they are OK (unless they look really ill, or unless they have been on sick leave or something) is pretty much unheard of. That&#039;s not to say that all Swedes are introverts - there are plenty of very extroverted people here, but our cultures are sometimes rather different.

One facet of this is something I found out when I visited San Francisco a couple of years ago: I found it really difficult to handle the way people in shops asked me how I was doing. I understand completely that it&#039;s just an empty phrase in most cases, and of course I&#039;m capable of smiling and saying &quot;Fine, thanks&quot; (and I still don&#039;t know if that&#039;s the expected response!), but it seemed like such an inappropriate and intimate question that very soon I stopped going into shops unless I really had to. Not to mention the practice of asking for my _name_ in coffee shops - how hard is it to say &quot;One latte is ready&quot; or just give the customers a number, and call out &quot;Number fifteen&quot;? The coffee shop staff are not my friends, they don&#039;t need to know and use my name, it&#039;s another forced simulated intimacy that to me as a Swede and as an introvert is very off-putting indeed. (And because the spelling of my name isn&#039;t obvious to an English-speaker, I ended up having to spell out my name every time I wanted a cup of coffee, and more often than not it was misspelt on the cup anyway. How friendly is that?)  Eventually I started telling them my name was Mary, just to get out of the situation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a post that really highlights cultural differences between my country and the United States. In Sweden, the notion of anybody at work asking their colleagues if they are OK (unless they look really ill, or unless they have been on sick leave or something) is pretty much unheard of. That&#8217;s not to say that all Swedes are introverts &#8211; there are plenty of very extroverted people here, but our cultures are sometimes rather different.</p>
<p>One facet of this is something I found out when I visited San Francisco a couple of years ago: I found it really difficult to handle the way people in shops asked me how I was doing. I understand completely that it&#8217;s just an empty phrase in most cases, and of course I&#8217;m capable of smiling and saying &#8220;Fine, thanks&#8221; (and I still don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the expected response!), but it seemed like such an inappropriate and intimate question that very soon I stopped going into shops unless I really had to. Not to mention the practice of asking for my _name_ in coffee shops &#8211; how hard is it to say &#8220;One latte is ready&#8221; or just give the customers a number, and call out &#8220;Number fifteen&#8221;? The coffee shop staff are not my friends, they don&#8217;t need to know and use my name, it&#8217;s another forced simulated intimacy that to me as a Swede and as an introvert is very off-putting indeed. (And because the spelling of my name isn&#8217;t obvious to an English-speaker, I ended up having to spell out my name every time I wanted a cup of coffee, and more often than not it was misspelt on the cup anyway. How friendly is that?)  Eventually I started telling them my name was Mary, just to get out of the situation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather it is such a shame people seem to be so ignorant about introverts.   It&#039;s no longer enough that someone arrives at the office and does her job, apparently.   I&#039;ve started coming in a few minutes early to be alone for about 10 minutes, and also of course I sort of steel myself when I hear the ones who &quot;make the rounds&quot; getting close.  I know I&#039;ll smile and say hi and yes I had a good weekend, and then I can get back to checking email and getting started in silence for a few more minutes.   I used to work out a lot, and I&#039;m trying to remember if I felt a little more &quot;warmed up&quot; even in the mornings when I was doing that.   It&#039;s worth a shot - I just keep procrastinating starting back.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather it is such a shame people seem to be so ignorant about introverts.   It&#8217;s no longer enough that someone arrives at the office and does her job, apparently.   I&#8217;ve started coming in a few minutes early to be alone for about 10 minutes, and also of course I sort of steel myself when I hear the ones who &#8220;make the rounds&#8221; getting close.  I know I&#8217;ll smile and say hi and yes I had a good weekend, and then I can get back to checking email and getting started in silence for a few more minutes.   I used to work out a lot, and I&#8217;m trying to remember if I felt a little more &#8220;warmed up&#8221; even in the mornings when I was doing that.   It&#8217;s worth a shot &#8211; I just keep procrastinating starting back.  <img src='http://introvertzone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny you mention the appearance of being unreceptive to coworkers in the morning, because I have had that specifically discussed on performance reviews in the past, with the view that it&#039;s MY problem that I need to change. I&#039;ve been trying to figure a whole bunch of stuff out in the past year, and I&#039;ve been finding out how much of my self-acceptance has suffered because I&#039;ve learned from others over the years that my introverted traits aren&#039;t okay.

Like Deb I find that when I ride my bike to work I&#039;m more likely to be &quot;warmed up&quot; and more capable of engaging with people as soon as I enter the door. But not always, especially in winter when it&#039;s cold and wet outside.
.-= heather&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://bookishheather.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/sweetpea-journey-6-more-than-the-sum-of-its-parts/&quot;&gt;Sweetpea Journey #6: More Than the Sum of Its Parts&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny you mention the appearance of being unreceptive to coworkers in the morning, because I have had that specifically discussed on performance reviews in the past, with the view that it&#8217;s MY problem that I need to change. I&#8217;ve been trying to figure a whole bunch of stuff out in the past year, and I&#8217;ve been finding out how much of my self-acceptance has suffered because I&#8217;ve learned from others over the years that my introverted traits aren&#8217;t okay.</p>
<p>Like Deb I find that when I ride my bike to work I&#8217;m more likely to be &#8220;warmed up&#8221; and more capable of engaging with people as soon as I enter the door. But not always, especially in winter when it&#8217;s cold and wet outside.<br />
<span class="cluv"> heather&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://bookishheather.wordpress.com/2009/11/22/sweetpea-journey-6-more-than-the-sum-of-its-parts/">Sweetpea Journey #6: More Than the Sum of Its Parts</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://introvertzone.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add that sometimes the workplace can be a downright hostile environment to introverts or anyone, for that matter, who seems a bit quiet and may not feel like talking.  What I am talking about is a level of hostility that goes way beyond someone simply asking &quot;are you ok?&quot;.  I&#039;ve experienced that kind of hostility at a couple of now former jobs.  If you tell someone that you don&#039;t feel like talking, either that person will understand and be gracious enough to back off for a while, or sometimes there are people who become angry and start to interrogate the person who doesn&#039;t feel like socializing.  It can be quite intimidating to deal with. And as soon as someone seems a bit moody or withdrawn, other people take that as a sign to become even more intrusive, instead of simply having enough respect to give a person some space to breathe. I&#039;ve read enough workplace advice forums or fora (not sure which one to use), in which there were posters who wanted to know how to get their quiet coworkers to come out of thier shell, so to speak.  The way they described the situation made it seem like they were on a mission to change the quiet coworker because in their opinion, the quiet coworker wasn&#039;t fitting in to the workplace culture.   My thinking on that is that if the person in question isn&#039;t being disruptive or confrontational, and the only &quot;problem&quot; is that the person is quiet and reserved, then there really isn&#039;t a problem.  The only time it would be a problem is if the person was quiet and refused to engage in issues pertaining to work related matters, and in most cases that isn&#039;t the complaint, so therefore there really isn&#039;t a problem that needs to be fixed.

I had a professor, several years ago, who mentioned this type of mentality in the workplace.  She said that sometimes employees will try to run the quiet coworker out of the workplace.  At first I didn&#039;t really take her seriously, until I started to think back to a couple of experiences I had had early on in my working days, and some experiences that I have had since my professor mentioned it, and I realized that my former professor had been absolutely correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add that sometimes the workplace can be a downright hostile environment to introverts or anyone, for that matter, who seems a bit quiet and may not feel like talking.  What I am talking about is a level of hostility that goes way beyond someone simply asking &#8220;are you ok?&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve experienced that kind of hostility at a couple of now former jobs.  If you tell someone that you don&#8217;t feel like talking, either that person will understand and be gracious enough to back off for a while, or sometimes there are people who become angry and start to interrogate the person who doesn&#8217;t feel like socializing.  It can be quite intimidating to deal with. And as soon as someone seems a bit moody or withdrawn, other people take that as a sign to become even more intrusive, instead of simply having enough respect to give a person some space to breathe. I&#8217;ve read enough workplace advice forums or fora (not sure which one to use), in which there were posters who wanted to know how to get their quiet coworkers to come out of thier shell, so to speak.  The way they described the situation made it seem like they were on a mission to change the quiet coworker because in their opinion, the quiet coworker wasn&#8217;t fitting in to the workplace culture.   My thinking on that is that if the person in question isn&#8217;t being disruptive or confrontational, and the only &#8220;problem&#8221; is that the person is quiet and reserved, then there really isn&#8217;t a problem.  The only time it would be a problem is if the person was quiet and refused to engage in issues pertaining to work related matters, and in most cases that isn&#8217;t the complaint, so therefore there really isn&#8217;t a problem that needs to be fixed.</p>
<p>I had a professor, several years ago, who mentioned this type of mentality in the workplace.  She said that sometimes employees will try to run the quiet coworker out of the workplace.  At first I didn&#8217;t really take her seriously, until I started to think back to a couple of experiences I had had early on in my working days, and some experiences that I have had since my professor mentioned it, and I realized that my former professor had been absolutely correct.</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exhausting!  Even just fun chitchat might have drained your battery eventually, but having to defend your boundaries continuously really does it.   Glad you got some time on your own and were able to enjoy the trip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exhausting!  Even just fun chitchat might have drained your battery eventually, but having to defend your boundaries continuously really does it.   Glad you got some time on your own and were able to enjoy the trip!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m an extreme introverts hahaha.  oh my goodness, I experienced what you are talking about several days ago. I was carpooling w my friend, her cousin, and her cousin&#039;s husband for a trip to Frisco. One of the most annoying trips ever because Larry kept bugging me and kept asking me &quot;why are you so quiet? What wrong with you?&quot; He&#039;s clueless and didn&#039;t understand I will say something when I have something to say. I guess I could have opened up a bit more if I had a spare pack of batteries but being in a car w three extroverts is exhausting. 

On a side note, the trip was fun after I was allowed my own time and did some wandering of my own : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m an extreme introverts hahaha.  oh my goodness, I experienced what you are talking about several days ago. I was carpooling w my friend, her cousin, and her cousin&#8217;s husband for a trip to Frisco. One of the most annoying trips ever because Larry kept bugging me and kept asking me &#8220;why are you so quiet? What wrong with you?&#8221; He&#8217;s clueless and didn&#8217;t understand I will say something when I have something to say. I guess I could have opened up a bit more if I had a spare pack of batteries but being in a car w three extroverts is exhausting. </p>
<p>On a side note, the trip was fun after I was allowed my own time and did some wandering of my own : )</p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hermit Loner -  I have had the same experience with starting out too pleasant/friendly with someone then being unable to get them to go away.   It seems that some people you just can&#039;t be nice to!  ;)   

I like that - maybe for an imaginary plaque on my desk.  &quot;GO AWAY.   And don&#039;t be pissy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermit Loner &#8211;  I have had the same experience with starting out too pleasant/friendly with someone then being unable to get them to go away.   It seems that some people you just can&#8217;t be nice to!  <img src='http://introvertzone.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>I like that &#8211; maybe for an imaginary plaque on my desk.  &#8220;GO AWAY.   And don&#8217;t be pissy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hermit loner</title>
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		<dc:creator>hermit loner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy, I&#039;ve got so many thoughts on this I don&#039;t even know where to start.  I am about as deeply introverted as it gets, and I find that being around people all day at work really saturates me as far as socializing goes. I hardly have energy left for partner and family after working all week, so I am really not too interested in friends.  I just don&#039;t have the energy or desire.  Is that unfair to people who really do want to befriend me?  I suppose so, but it is what it is.  I do greet everyone with a smile when I arrive at work.  I am usually cheerful but I find that if I am too pleasant, I encourage too many cubicle visits.  It seems like there&#039;s no happy medium to be found.  

I would rather have someone ask me &quot;Are you OK?&quot; than have him or her assume that I&#039;m in a bad mood because I&#039;m quiet.  I often get accused of being &quot;crabby&quot; and &quot;in a bad mood&quot; when I want to be left alone. If someone would ask me, with genuine concern, &quot;Are you OK?&quot; I think I&#039;d be glad to answer in kind, &quot;Yes, I&#039;m fine, thanks for asking, I&#039;m just enjoying some quiet time.&quot;  Provided of course that the person would GO AWAY after that without getting all pissy about it.

One more observation - sometimes people really ARE being friendly and concerned and caring.  But my experience has been that usually they aren&#039;t - usually, they just want an audience.  &quot;Are you OK?&quot; means &quot;Can I talk TO you about MY problems?&quot;  &quot;Did you have a nice weekend?&quot; means &quot;I want to tell you all about MY weekend but I think it&#039;s just polite to ask about yours first; I know you won&#039;t say much but then I can tell you ALL about mine.&quot;  I know I sound cynical and maybe a little bitter, but I&#039;m really tired of people sucking energy from me all day long!
.-= hermit loner&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hermitloner.com/wordpress/230/a-little-privacy-a-lot-of-happy/&quot;&gt;A Little Privacy, A Lot of Happy&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy, I&#8217;ve got so many thoughts on this I don&#8217;t even know where to start.  I am about as deeply introverted as it gets, and I find that being around people all day at work really saturates me as far as socializing goes. I hardly have energy left for partner and family after working all week, so I am really not too interested in friends.  I just don&#8217;t have the energy or desire.  Is that unfair to people who really do want to befriend me?  I suppose so, but it is what it is.  I do greet everyone with a smile when I arrive at work.  I am usually cheerful but I find that if I am too pleasant, I encourage too many cubicle visits.  It seems like there&#8217;s no happy medium to be found.  </p>
<p>I would rather have someone ask me &#8220;Are you OK?&#8221; than have him or her assume that I&#8217;m in a bad mood because I&#8217;m quiet.  I often get accused of being &#8220;crabby&#8221; and &#8220;in a bad mood&#8221; when I want to be left alone. If someone would ask me, with genuine concern, &#8220;Are you OK?&#8221; I think I&#8217;d be glad to answer in kind, &#8220;Yes, I&#8217;m fine, thanks for asking, I&#8217;m just enjoying some quiet time.&#8221;  Provided of course that the person would GO AWAY after that without getting all pissy about it.</p>
<p>One more observation &#8211; sometimes people really ARE being friendly and concerned and caring.  But my experience has been that usually they aren&#8217;t &#8211; usually, they just want an audience.  &#8220;Are you OK?&#8221; means &#8220;Can I talk TO you about MY problems?&#8221;  &#8220;Did you have a nice weekend?&#8221; means &#8220;I want to tell you all about MY weekend but I think it&#8217;s just polite to ask about yours first; I know you won&#8217;t say much but then I can tell you ALL about mine.&#8221;  I know I sound cynical and maybe a little bitter, but I&#8217;m really tired of people sucking energy from me all day long!<br />
<span class="cluv"> hermit loner&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://hermitloner.com/wordpress/230/a-little-privacy-a-lot-of-happy/">A Little Privacy, A Lot of Happy</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://introvertzone.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: cb</title>
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		<dc:creator>cb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW I agree totally.  I have asked the ok question too but only when I was alone with the person and my tone and expression indicated that I&#039;m empathetic, whatever it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW I agree totally.  I have asked the ok question too but only when I was alone with the person and my tone and expression indicated that I&#8217;m empathetic, whatever it is.</p>
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